he spoke of heaven. those are words of hope. if we don't believe that there is such a place, that there is something beyond this physical life we live, then there is no hope. and i think it's important that we quit apologizing for having a spiritual conversation, that we somehow quit being ashamed that we believe in god and we recognize, it's the only thing that keeps us together when there is an inexplicable tragedy like the one we've seen with so muchor and pain. >> brian: governor, as i mentioned when you were on the couch on saturday, is that the town got it together. they seem like a very spiritual place, the ideal town. you sketched this out in a children's book and say this is where you want to grow up. their reaction in the times in which the shooting was taken place, heroic. their actions afterwards, tremendous empathy and sympathy from around the world. the god that needed god was the shooter. and the assailant is the problem. not the people in the town. >> when we create an atmosphere, when we tell people god really i